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alguem pode fazer o favor de traduzir? EDIT: do google nao vale!

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Cara, muito obrigado por vir aqui dar sua opnião sobre o uso de ingles no forum, mas o tema principal são as 10 lições que o pessoal do norml aprendeu sobre as ultimas eleicoes por aqui na California. Então vamos fazer o seguinte, enquanto voce nao tiver algo sobre o tema pra adicionar não se preocupa em argumentar sobre o uso do ingles, espanhol, mandarim ou o que for, porque não é essa a ideia. Apenas vai no google e traduzir, se restar alguma duvida, posta aqui, dae a gente comeca a debater sobre o topico. Valeu. E by the way, eu não traduzo justamente por isso, não tenho paciencia ;] valeu!

Ele tá errado porque tá usando o nome do NORML sem autorizaçao. TOTALMENTE. Em 9 anos de growroom e o growroom não tomou uma atitude dessas, que sirva de licao. Quem não faz, leva. Não to aqui pra defender ninguem, mas acho muita falta de etica ficar botando a culpa nos "gringos" (gringo que nem é gringo, é apenas um coitado igual a mim, um tupiniquim exilado na america do norte) do que se faz ou se deixa de fazer aí no Brasil. Lembrem-se bem que a menos de 1 mes estavam todos chupando o saco da California porque a "legalização" daqui iria ser "o caminho para o mundo seguir" e bla bla bla... Eu não entendo essa parada, tem hora que eu acho que a galera aqui é muito bipolar. Mas depois eu penso bem e lembro, a gente só quer saber do que é bom pra nós, se não for dar lucro, não presta, e isso vale pra todo mundo.

esse raniere vai é queimar o filme quando a bosta atingir o ventilador.

Mas o cara não é Brasileiro?

O cara ja ta errado por usar o nome do norml sem autorizacao.... só isso ja tira toda credibilidade dele.

" tão filantrópico quanto o Edir Macedo" essa foi a melhor!

Porque se eu for esperar alguem como voce ir la, achar a informacao, traduzir e colocar aqui, isso nunca vai acontecer. Ao menos assim a informacao é passada, de alguma forma. tendeu?

okay

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10 Lessons Learned from Marijuana Election Defeats November 8th, 2010 By: Russ Belville, NORML Outreach Coordinator Share this Article Results of 2010 Election added to our Marijuana Laws Map Marijuana supporters nationwide awoke on November 3rd to find they had been defeated in all four statewide initiatives on the ballot. While losing these battles is not good news for our movement, the lessons we’ve learned and coalitions we’ve formed will help us win the war even sooner. California’s Prop 19 received 3.4 million votes for legalization, which represents 46.1% of the voters. This is the best a statewide marijuana legalization measure has ever done, besting Nevada 2002 (39%), Alaska 2004 (44%), Colorado 2006 (41%), and Nevada 2006 (44%) What turned Westerners' 58% support for legalization into just 46% of the vote in California? Details. The most recent Gallup Poll showed 58% support among Westerners for “legalization”. That means there are 12% of our supporters who dropped their support for legalization once the details are spelled out. What lessons have we learned from the loss? I believe there are ten main lessons we need to learn to succeed in 2012. 1. We must explicitly protect medical marijuana rights. During the campaign some on our side were surprised by the emergence of the “I Gots Mine” crowd, the so-called “Stoners Against Legalization”. But the fact is that in a medical marijuana state, especially California, what they “gots” is pretty amazing. Moving forward, any legalization measure in a medical state must include the following three explicit points: a) This legalization bill will not affect your medical marijuana rights in any way. Your medical marijuana rights will not change in any way once legalization passes. c) If you are concerned about your medical marijuana rights, please see points a) and . I’m being somewhat facetious, but the point better be taken. No legalization bill is going to succeed unless the current medical marijuana smokers believe it makes their lives better or at least doesn’t threaten to change their lives. Now, I know as well as anyone that Prop 19 wouldn’t have affected medical rights, but it got lost within the Purposes and Intents and buried in a cloud of “notwithstandings” and “excepts”. The next initiative needs to have an explicit declarative paragraph protecting medical rights. And it has to be written in such a way that it is perfectly clear to even the most unlikely, naive, and uneducated voters, which leads me to… You can't win with legalization that criminalizes part of the largest group of marijuana smokers 2. We must remember that people 18-25 are our biggest group of stakeholders and we cannot over-penalize them to appease our opponents. The theme that Prop 19 would be creating a crime out of 21-year-olds passing joints to their 18-20-year-old friends resonated among every toker who first smoked a joint with an older friend or sibling. I even heard from people aged 18-20 who thought Prop 19 made them a felon. The new crime was created to soothe the soccer moms, but I think people realized it would be as ineffective at stopping young college kids from toking as the 21 drinking age stops frat keggers, so that all we’d accomplish is creating new criminal records for young people. The next initiative needs to retain the 21+ age (18 just won’t pass when alcohol is 21) but leave the punishment for furnishing to 18-20-year-olds the $100 ticket it is now… or at least don’t make it more punitive than the law for alcohol. I understand the “make it like alcohol” motivation of punishing someone who furnishes to minors, but the punishment called for by Prop 19 was akin to the punishment for one who furnishes to a teen who then causes serious injury to self or others. The minimum punishment for merely furnishing alcohol, absent injury, is a misdemeanor, a $1,000 fine and 24 hours community service. Thus we were portraying marijuana as far more harmful than alcohol (see point 5 below) by implication. When Humboldt County is voting against legalization, there is a problem. 3. We must find a way to integrate the current illegal growers into a new legalized market. The results from the so-called “Emerald Triangle” – defeats for legalization in Humboldt, Mendocino, and Trinity counties – show us that legalization has to be framed to appeal to small time marijuana growers. Putting aside the immorality of profiting from the misery of prohibition, the fact is that many small time growers are paying their mortgage and feeding their families from profits on illegal marijuana. Nobody is going to vote to reduce the price of weed from $300/oz to $60/oz when that takes food out of their kids’ mouths. The next initiative needs to create a level playing field for small businesses to compete in marijuana cultivation. By emphasizing small, local grows, we can increase the grower vote while also soothing pot smokers worried about “WalMartization” and non-tokers worried about pot becoming as ubiquitous as alcohol they see advertised daily nearly everywhere. Until Americans see the guys standing up as more dangerous than the ones lying down, we can't win 4. We cannot win until people are more scared of prohibition than they are of legalization. People resist change. In order to shake things up, they need to find the status quo unacceptable and the alternative a moral good. Early on, many of our messages focused on what good would come from legalization, such as tax revenues (see point 6 below) and prioritization of police resources. While these things are good, they don’t tell the story of why it is so critical to change the status quo. It’s not that legalization must be approved, it is that prohibition must be ended. LEAP speakers made the point that every test on a baggie of pot for a $100 ticket means a crime lab test of a rape kit has to wait, but it came too late to make a commercial out of that point. We need commercials with high school weed dealers in parking lots and hallways, dealing without any regulations or ID checks. We need commercials with indoor marijuana grow factories taking over suburban neighborhoods because there are no legal commercial grows. We need commercials with illegal outdoor grows polluting our state parks. We need commercials of SWAT teams breaking down doors over a pot plant, abusing families, while the rapist, murderer, and thief escape detection. (We need billionaires to kick in big dollars sooner in the campaign so we can get these commercials on air.) All these commercials that would use scenes prohibitionists use against us need to be used against them in an act of rhetorical judo that shows those evils to be the result of the prohibitionary status quo, not the proposed marijuana legalization. The next initiative campaign needs to scare people about the out-of-control prohibition situation we have now. Which leads to the corollary… To some, this just means we're arresting too many blacks, not that the arrest itself is wrong. 5. We must stop painting the marijuana as a bad thing that needs to be controlled. We did a great job with exposing the racially disproportionate nature of marijuana law enforcement. We’ve shown how much money is spent enforcing marijuana laws and how the cost of doing so is diverting police resources. We’ve illustrated the violent nature of the drug trade, particularly in Mexico. None of that really matters, though, until we honestly address the social disapproval of “smoking pot”. The underlying premise of prohibition is that we are forbidding adults from an activity for all of our own good. Without addressing the morality of marijuana, the flaws we point out in prohibition are just kinks in the system that need to be improved, not an indictment of the reason for the system. We’re locking up too many blacks and Latinos? We’ll just try to be more fair about arresting all races equally, then. We spend a lot of money going after pot? How much is too much to spend to keep your kids safe? Gangsters are violent in the marijuana trade? That’s why we need to arrest people, so they’ll stop smoking pot. See how that works? The next initiative campaign must do more pro-active positive portrayals of marijuana for adults. It is not enough to campaign against the bad guy (prohibition), you have to have a story arc for the good guy (legal marijuana use). People need to question why we bother arresting bright, successful, educated people and break up their loving families just because they prefer sensimilla to a six-pack or a cigarette. However, as we tell the good guy’s story… When you put up a number, you'd better be ready to defend it. When it's a number from a different bill, you're sunk. 6. We must be realistic about what legalization can and cannot accomplish. As marijuana activists, we’re already starting with a deficit in the public trust column. So when we make our case, we have to be diligent about never over-promising what good can be realized by ending prohibition, especially if we attach hard numbers to those promises. It is too easy to become characterized as the glassy-eyed idealists who believe too much in the magic wonder herb when we supply targets that are so easily shot down. Both the primary offenses in messaging can be traced to some honest mistakes. First was the claim that Prop 19 would raise $1.4 billion in taxes for California. This arose from the legislature’s legalization bill, AB 390, which proposed a statewide $50/ounce tax. Then the California Board of Equalization crunched the numbers and announced that $1.4 billion could be realized. Then AB 390 failed and Prop 19 took over, but never distanced itself from the $1.4 billion tax revenues and in a few instances, co-opted the $1.4 billion for internet forums and print. When Prop 19 instituted no required taxes and any taxes would be local, not statewide, everyone, even Prop 19’s supporters, knew that far less than $1.4 billion would be raised. Then when the Attorney General vowed to aggressively pursue anyone who opened up a Prop 19 shop, we all knew there would be even less taxes raised. Next was the implication that Prop 19 would be a significant blow to Mexican drug cartels. Part of this owes to misinformation from the drug czar’s office, which had publicized the stat that 60% of the Mexican cartel income is raised from marijuana. But Prop 19 advocates could be faulted for accepting a drug czar’s word on anything, as well as not knowing their home state marijuana market well enough to realize nobody in California is smoking much Mexican brick weed. Combined with the “billions in taxes” saving the state, the “cripple the cartels” message was easily debunked and left us looking like we’re bullshitting the voters. The next initiative must be careful about promises and always return the focus to any modest gains from ending prohibition being more than what we’re getting now. We have a drug test here at NORML... "Do you recognize this leaf?" 7. Legalize first, then deal with the drug testing issue. You won’t find anyone who hates drug testing more than me. It’s inaccurate, unscientific, ineffective, and a disgusting invasion of our right to privacy. And I was thrilled to see non-discrimination language regarding drug testing in Prop 19. But tackling the drug testing issue along with the legalization issue presents too many conflicts for most voters. Again, it’s about the good guy and the bad guy. The good guy is drug test that protects us at work from the bad guy, the whacked-out druggies. Many people are fine with you smoking a joint and getting whacked-out at home, but want to be sure you’re not smoking a joint at work or while driving. The drug testing language gave opponents a wedge to separate business owners, managers, and responsible workers from supporting us. The next initiative needs to remain focused on the sole issue of ending the criminalization of people who smoke and grow pot. Once marijuana use is legal, and as the image of marijuana use becomes mainstreamed, the drug testing issue will be easier to work out. It would be considered ridiculous in most circumstances to have a work policy that accepted only teetotalers and punished someone for having a drink Friday night because he’d be dangerous on Monday morning. When marijuana is legal, soon those policies for pot will seem as ridiculous. Now, speaking of drug testing… Objects in mirror may be fatter than they appear. 8. You can’t “treat it like alcohol” unless you can test for it like alcohol on the roadside. We often use the phrase “treat it like alcohol” to get through to voters with little knowledge of marijuana (indeed, if they were educated, they’d realize treating cannabis like alcohol is an insult to cannabis.) But every time we do, we activate many long-held frames about alcohol, and one of those is “shit-faced drunks who drive”. The “stoned drivers” scare is one of the few effective bits of rhetoric our opponents have left, along with “what about the children”? We insisted that Prop 19 didn’t at all change the cops’ ability to bust a stoned driver, but I believe this just did not overcome a gut feeling for most people that it would, because we could offer them no new tools for law enforcement to watch over stoned drivers while creating a more lenient state for marijuana users. The next initiative must work with the “treat it like alcohol” frame by providing a “breathalyzer” equivalent for the stoned driver. This is the hardest part for me to write, because I so loathe drug testing and even the breathalyzer, which really does not prove anyone’s actual impairment. All any drug test proves is that you’ve used drugs, alcohol included. Some alcoholics can drive fine at a 0.12 BAC; some lightweights are a danger at 0.04 BAC. But since the public believes in the breathalyzer as a magical scientific instrument than can detect and help punish drunk drivers, and since we’re engaging them in the “treat it like alcohol” frame, they need something more tangible than “we’ll just bust them like we do now”, which rings hollow when the general public knows we bust the stoned driver (impaired or not) now just for having weed in his pocket or a roach in the ashtray. There are technologies available – blood testing, cheek-swab saliva testing, epocrine gland (armpit) sweat testing – that can show recent use of marijuana within four hours. That, along with a “no burnt cannabis / no used paraphernalia” in the car rule to match the alcohol-equivalent “no open containers” would go a long way toward negating the “stoned drivers” scare. People barely trust their city council to be able to handle potholes on Main Street, much less regulating the third most popular recreational substance 9. Commercialization must be handled with consistent statewide regulation. Prop 19 designed its commercial regulations to be opt-in, with cities and counties each deciding if they wished to have regulated sales and how they would regulate them. The reasoning for this is sound, as the proponents wanted the commercial regs to stand up to federal court scrutiny, the theory being that since Prop 19 didn’t explicitly tell the state to allow marijuana commerce in violation of federal law, the commercial regs might not violate the Commerce Clause. However, as a rhetorical piece to convince voters, it was lacking. Most people don’t trust their city government or believe it to be ineffective. Opponents were able to conjure a future where there were hundreds of different pot regulations across the state. This becomes troubling in a crowded Southern California where driving down one strip of road can pass you through multiple city jurisdictions that are visually indistinct from one another. Am I in City of Industry that allows me to have 2 ounces in personal possession or am I in La Puente that only allows one? How will our stores in Torrance collect their 10% marijuana tax when just up the road in Gardena they only charge 5%? The next initiative must establish a statewide commercial regulatory framework. It will probably be squashed by the federal courts, but it will be better to have legal marijuana first and fight those commercial battles in court than to have prohibition and no chance in court. Once people have the legal right to possess, use, and grow marijuana, the commerce will inevitably follow (see: medical marijuana everywhere.) Most people don't think of medicine in the same context as getting an ear piercing 10. Medical marijuana has reached its peak and is now inextricably linked to legalization. In California, the people are already accustomed to a fairly open marijuana policy, where anyone who wants to toke can get a Prop 215 recommendation and buy it from many dispensaries. In the North it’s a well-regulated system that is contributing to clean neighborhoods and city tax revenues. You can see by the county results map above that most of the support comes from the Bay Area where cities and counties put together regulations and ordinances and created a healthy system. Why wouldn’t people vote for more of that? But in the South it’s a “Wild West” system with tent after tent of “pot docs” on Venice Beach that can’t spell “cannabis” and carnival barkers pushing the “4-gram eighth”. This is the fault of the local officials who refused to put forth any sort of regulations, but that’s lost on the average voter. All they see is that what they have now is pot run wild. Why would people vote for more of that? While legalization support has increased in eleven years, medical marijuana has declined. In South Dakota, a medical marijuana initiative failed in 2006 with 48% of the vote. In 2010, South Dakota’s support for medical marijuana dropped to 36%. In Arizona they passed a flawed medical marijuana initiative (it used “prescription”, not “recommendation”) with 65% in 1996. In 2010, it got just below 50% of the vote. In Oregon a measure to create medical marijuana dispensaries lost with 42% of the vote in 2004. In 2010, the dispensaries measure gained slightly with 43% of the vote. This is reflected in Gallup polls on both medical marijuana and marijuana legalization. In 1999, support for legalization was just 29%, while support for medical use was 73%. It’s fair to say that people who believe in legalization would naturally support medical use, so the difference of 44% in 1999 would represent those who believe in medical use but think people who just want to get high should be punished. By the mid-2000s, medical marijuana support reached 75%-78% and legalization reached 34%-36%, meaning those who support medical-only dropped to 31%-32%. Now in 2010 we have legalization support at 46% while medical support has fallen to 70%, leaving only 24% who believe in medical-only. Similar initiatives in Arizona, Oregon, and South Dakota for medical marijuana declined while the second Prop 19 for legalization in California increased. The reason for this 20-point decline in medical-only support is that the public is beginning to feel hoodwinked on the medical marijuana issue. They completely support the cancer, AIDS, and glaucoma patients getting their medications, but have seen too many dispensaries, too many healthy-looking young people, too many huge marijuana gardens, too many large volume busts, and too many patients overall to believe that medical marijuana is anything but thinly-veiled legalization. Now that California, the first medical state, has gone forward with legalization, and since the previous legalization attempts were also in medical marijuana states (Nevada, Colorado, Alaska), the two issues are linked. This means the next medical initiatives and bills will have to be even more restrictive to convince the doubters who cry “Trojan horse!” The next initiative needs to highlight the second-class-citizen nature of medical marijuana laws that can only be solved by full legalization. The legalization campaign needs to bring forth those same medical marijuana patients who played to public sympathy to get medical marijuana and show how even with medical marijuana, they are still harassed, arrested, tried, and convicted because they’re swept up in the overall battle law enforcement must engage with healthy marijuana smokers. People need to see the patients who lose housing, lose scholarships, lose child custody, suffer home invasion robberies, can’t travel outside the state, and hear from the patients themselves that medical marijuana just isn’t good enough. And one thing we don’t need to do? Change the word “marijuana” to “cannabis”. I’ve heard this suggestion a few times, but I think it actually works against us. You and I know that “marijuana” is a Mexican slang term initially used for racist reasons to confuse and frighten the public. But now “marijuana” is the familiar brand name everyone knows. When we run from “marijuana” and only say “cannabis”, “marijuana” is emphasized by its absence. Why won’t they say “marijuana”? What are they trying to hide? What’s wrong with marijuana? It’s like when liberals go out of their way to call themselves “progressives” or when conservatives felt the need to emphasize “compassionate”; it’s distancing yourself from your own brand – if you don’t like it, why should anyone else? The next initiative needs to just be honest: The Marijuana Legalization Act of 2012. There is nothing wrong with that linguistically or even ethically, as the laws on the books that this would repeal are “marijuana laws” – they use the term “marijuana” (or sometimes “marihuana”) in the statutes. We can, and should, pepper in the word “cannabis” as we explain the act, using it as the proper name of the plant species, but not be afraid to talk about “smoking marijuana” when the public brings it up. By now, people know the plant by the name “marijuana” and that name, in and of itself, doesn’t denigrate it in their minds any more than the less-familiar “cannabis” promotes it.

Você contactou os caras do norml? Oque eles falaram?

Então brother, o preco iria aumentar porque eles estão estipulando taxas absurdas e quem iria pagar iria ser o consumidor final, como sempre. Um eighth (3.5) gramas que hoje já sai na maioria dos clubes por 55/65 dolares iria pra casa dos 80. Oque manda no preco (legal) são os clubes, que cada vez querem pagar menos pelo pound, mas cobram cada vez mais dos pacientes, infelizmente. E olha que nos growers legais. aqui somos apenas 30% do mercado , não 100% como todo mundo acha. Um pound pro clube sai em media por 3 mil, pra qualquer um fora sai por 3.500+. Pro mercado ilegal iria ser bom, porque ninguem iria pagar taxas e continuariam vendendo e nego cada vez consumindo mais. []s

Parabens, tirando a piadinha sem originalidade e graça voce ta pelo visto aprendendo o caminho das pedras agora. Vamos que vamos. Agora é só voce estudar o assunto e vir com alguma coisa relacionada a ele pra adicionar, estamos esperando!!! forte abraço. btw, aqui tem muita mulher, e o melhor é que elas vem de todo lugar do mundo, principalmente aqui em Berkeley que e uma cidade universitaria e maconheirissima, conhece ou ja ouvir falar? é o bicho!

o noml tem pelo menos 20 anos de ativismo pelo mundo afora velho, dá uma pesquisadinha ae.

A Jack Herer Initivative vai além da prop 19 não somente nos aspectos legais pela "guerra as drogas". Analisando pelo lado financeiro você pode se ligar que o que ela faz é abrir o jogo pros agricultores de HEMP poderem fazer seu papel na economia, oque em uma visão geral, tende a ser muito mais lucrativo/importante num sentido geral e de longo prazo do que meramente legalizar a maconha, apenas a maconha IMHO não vai salvar a economia de todos. Pode até ter melhorado a minha, mas pra botar comida na mesa de geral precisa de muito mais, até porque geral vai ta na larica ;P Imagine não ter que comprar produtos de canhamo do nosso vizinho Canada, Leite, tecido, oleos, produtos cosmeticos e etc... Tudo aqui! Poder produzir um tecido duravel e muito mais limpo que algodao, -- Crop que por sinal utiliza quase metade de todo agrotoxico (industria dominada pela monsanto) produzido no mundo, e isso só nas lavouras aqui nos USA. (WOW) Imagine quanto lucro não seria gerado? E mais que isso, a lei aqui nos Estados Unidos não te proibe de ter/vender/etc maconha num sentido geral, ela é bem especifica, e diz que não se pode usar os frutos seeds e etc, mas não fala nada quando as fibras, ou seja nós poderiamos então vender pra todo o resto do pais os tecidos e tal.... moh money, moh money.... Esse é um movimento muito maior que o movimento de legalização da maconha (recreativa ou não), e mobilizaria o mundo inteiro muito mais, pois assim SIM a gente passaria a valorizar essa planta maravilhosa e multi-uso que é a maconha. Resumindo, basta olhar nas possibilidades que a JHI traz para o mercado, pois ela não está ai apenas pra fazer o dinheiro rodar de mão em mão (em especial pra mão de quem criou ela), Seja em taxas e/ou multas, saindo da mão do consumidor final ou produtor pro estado, ela gera dinheiro e taxas em um outro nivel, numa cadeia muito maior. Na verdade ela está ai pra fazer o dinheiro brotar da terra de uma forma melhor e mais sustentavel, gerando empregos e produtos em um novo e mais promissor mercado, HEMP! Analisando ela em um contexto geral voce vai notar que ela vai MUITO além da prop 19, só que alguém tem que espalhar a noticia, igual o Richy Lee fez com o plano dele, morou? Só espero que a monsanto não venha com umas seed de hemp geneticamente modificadas preparadas pra tomar chuva de Round UP... etc e tal...

Não vejo vantagens em criar um LOBBY da maconha... Principalmente porque este praticamente ditaria as regras pra qualquer mudança futura...

Essa proposta leva tudo a um outro nivel, ela até diz que todo mundo fichado por maconha deveria ter a ficha limpa e os records dos supostos "crimes" cometidos ligados a erva DESTRUIDOS! Essa sim teria apoio de 110% da população maconheira daqui, inclusive de um bom lobby, os dos fazendeiros que poderiam plantar hemp! Isso sim é progresso. Agora é reunir assinaturas pra levar pro ballot. Esse ano tinha a prop 89 aqui, que perdeu pra 19 (gracas as investidas de $$$ do richard bitch ass lee) e não foi pro ballot. Só espero que isso não se repita com a Jack Herer...

o cara não fala ingles, e ta indo fundo nesse nivel do portugues, daqui a pouco vai ficar mudo, coitado.

Pegou ar? Que isso? Portugues? To vendo como você adora seu INDIOMA.... valeu e tchau! e não esquece de tirar da notificação automatica que é pra não dar com a lingua nos dentes depois. ...é tanto indiota no mundo, meu deus..

1) Amiguinho se voce fosse mais ativo já tinha feito um topico antes, falando sobre a iniciativa ao invés de ficar por ai pelo forum tirando onda de martir por uma causa falida (prop 19). Isso só mostra o tipo de ativista que você é. Entao cala-te e nao reclama. CAVALO DADO NÃO SE OLHA OS DENTES! E mais além, se você não tá satisfeito, escreve uma e assim você nunca mais tem que vir dar pitaco nesse topic. 2) Tá aí o texto ORIGINAL pra quem quiser ver e usar. Problema é de quem não fala ingles, minha dica é ir correndo fazer um curso, porque Ingles hoje em dia é muito importante em qualquer coisa. Pobre de quem não consegue nem programar um DVD.... 3) Acatar? Você quer oque, incitar nego pra me banir? 4) Nao to preoculpado com ninguem mesmo não, não tenho filho barbado muito menos chorão. 5) IMHO O professor era um traficante mesmo, vendia, assim como eu vendo meu beck aqui, e dai? Na real, Nem acho que o professor era o cabeça, era mais uma parada do filho dele que dele. Nego só ta querendo usar a escolaridade do cara pra aliviar a barra ou puxar a brasa pra sardinha deles. Mas novamente eu me pergunto, E DAI? 6) Pagando pau e idolatrando? Nem sabia que era tão bem conceituado assim, na moral eu acho que mais da metade do forum não vai com a minha cara, só me aceita aqui porque adora saber das novidades mesmo... Mas novamente... E DAI? Brother, faz um favor pra voce mesmo e me ignora, se voce nao gosta dos inputs que eu boto aqui, o problema é todo seu amiguinho, eles estão aí pra quem quiser usar e fazer bom ou mau uso deles, eu não to nem ai pra oque você ou o lula acham. Morou? Eu acho que essa onda de pseudo-ativismo que ta rolando aqui no Growroom ta fazendo alguns usuarios se acharem o Tiradentes... Have a nice day!

AÊÊÊ Cabelo!, acabou de ganhar o Premio Homem-Planta "ME DÁ TUDO DE BANDEJA DO ANO DE 2010!!!!!!! " Tá aí teu trofeu: Agora vai no google e procura um translator. Babel da altavista quebra o galho by the way...

Não liga não bro, nunca você vai conseguir satisfazer a todo mundo aqui do forum, sempre vai ter alguem chorando alguma coisa e reclamando, ao invés de botar a mão e fazer com boas intenções, bem da forma que tu fez.... esse é o dia-a-dia no growroom. Sempre a mesma merda, so mudam as moscas. peace!